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PostSubject: Re: "PC always gets superior multi-plats"?   Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:12 pm

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Reviewers don't take mods into their reviews, which is one of the main reasons the PC ports are superior.
Can you give some examples?
For example, I don't think reviewers consider the mods in most Valve games, as well as most Bethesda games. I understand that there are some ports that are just sloppy, like Splinter Cell: Conviction, but, like I said, reviewers don't take into account mods or unofficial patches for bugs in the game, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: "PC always gets superior multi-plats"?   Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:17 pm

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For example, I don't think reviewers consider the mods in most Valve games, as well as most Bethesda games. I understand that there are some ports that are just sloppy, like Splinter Cell: Conviction, but, like I said, reviewers don't take into account mods or unofficial patches for bugs in the game, etc.
I haven't tried a single HL2 mod. Any particular mods that you would recommend?

About Bethesda... I'm not sure whether it's a good or a bad thing that fans need to mod the game to stop the characters from looking like shit. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: "PC always gets superior multi-plats"?   Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:21 pm

NightFang91 wrote:
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For example, I don't think reviewers consider the mods in most Valve games, as well as most Bethesda games. I understand that there are some ports that are just sloppy, like Splinter Cell: Conviction, but, like I said, reviewers don't take into account mods or unofficial patches for bugs in the game, etc.
I haven't tried a single HL2 mod. Any particular mods that you would recommend?

About Bethesda... I'm not sure whether it's a good or a bad thing that fans need to mod the game to stop the characters from looking like shit. Razz
I myself am not a PC gamer, but you can look here if you're interested.

As for Bethesda . . . yeah, the characters are pretty ugly, but there are a ton of other mods that people use to add new weapons, armor, and spells. I know someone who runs around Fallout 3 with Cloud Strife's sword. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: "PC always gets superior multi-plats"?   Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:25 pm

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I myself am not a PC gamer, but you can look here if you're interested.

As for Bethesda . . . yeah, the characters are pretty ugly, but there are a ton of other mods that people use to add new weapons, armor, and spells. I know someone who runs around Fallout 3 with Cloud Strife's sword. Smile
Seeing as you said mods are so great I thought you would know some. Smile

But yeah, I do agree on the Bethesda bit, but that's like 1 developer.
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PostSubject: Re: "PC always gets superior multi-plats"?   Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:26 pm

NightFang91 wrote:
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I myself am not a PC gamer, but you can look here if you're interested.

As for Bethesda . . . yeah, the characters are pretty ugly, but there are a ton of other mods that people use to add new weapons, armor, and spells. I know someone who runs around Fallout 3 with Cloud Strife's sword. Smile
Seeing as you said mods are so great I thought you would know some. Smile

But yeah, I do agree on the Bethesda bit, but that's like 1 developer.
Isn't it assumed that being able to alter and expand your game without the help of the developer is a fantastic feature?
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PostSubject: Re: "PC always gets superior multi-plats"?   Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:28 pm

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Isn't it assumed that being able to alter and expand your game without the help of the developer is a fantastic feature?
Not if no one uses it.
It's only a valid argument if you actually use the feature and it improves your gaming experience.
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PostSubject: Re: "PC always gets superior multi-plats"?   Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:34 pm

NightFang91 wrote:
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Isn't it assumed that being able to alter and expand your game without the help of the developer is a fantastic feature?
Not if no one uses it.
It's only a valid argument if you actually use the feature and it improves your gaming experience.
Even if not many people use it, the feature is still there.
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PostSubject: Re: "PC always gets superior multi-plats"?   Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:26 pm

NightFang91 wrote:
TRF wrote:

For example, I don't think reviewers consider the mods in most Valve games, as well as most Bethesda games. I understand that there are some ports that are just sloppy, like Splinter Cell: Conviction, but, like I said, reviewers don't take into account mods or unofficial patches for bugs in the game, etc.
I haven't tried a single HL2 mod. Any particular mods that you would recommend?

About Bethesda... I'm not sure whether it's a good or a bad thing that fans need to mod the game to stop the characters from looking like shit. Razz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_jq4Q2KpuI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo3FSpEzCtE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m10GnDi-Sa0&feature=related

It doesnt matter what the characters look like. People will always make character mods for games like that. A really popular one for Oblivon is a anime mod. http://i38.tinypic.com/2ue7ayh.jpg
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PostSubject: Re: "PC always gets superior multi-plats"?   Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:36 pm

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PostSubject: Re: "PC always gets superior multi-plats"?   Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:00 pm

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PostSubject: Re: "PC always gets superior multi-plats"?   Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:39 pm

NightFang, our arguments aren't irrelevant just because we don't use the features, if that's what you're getting at. It would be one thing if we were arguing for something we didn't use and didn't want to use, but I myself envy the PC owners who can mod their games.
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PostSubject: Re: "PC always gets superior multi-plats"?   Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:55 am

You really have to be a PC player to understand or someone who isnt a 13 year old console fanboy. Did you know Modern warfare 1 had a Zombie game mode? It was an online mod that used Home made maps in it. I played it.... It was so fucking good....
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PostSubject: Re: "PC always gets superior multi-plats"?   Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:46 am

Jamin wrote:
Pickles wrote:

elephant
They better not be indie games.

Go ahead list them.
elephant

Also I never said PC gamers were elitist. I said PC elitists are elitist. Pc gamers are happy with their platform. PC elitists feel insecure so they have to act arrogant.
1. 1701 A.D.
2. Achtung Panzer: Kharkov 1943
3. Aion
4. ArmA II
5. Audiosurf
6. Battlefield Heroes
7. Blackwell, The
8. Ceville
9. Champions Online
10. Company of Heroes
11. Crazy machines
12. Crysis
13. Dark Fall
14. Dawn of Discovery
15. DCS: Black Shark
16. Demigod
17. Din's Curse
18. East India Company
19. Elemental: War of Magic
20. Empire: Total War
21. Eve Online
22. Grand Ages: Rome
23. GTR Evolution
24. Heroes of Newerth
25. Hunter, The
26. Jack Keane
27. Killing Floor
28. King Arthur - The Role-playing War-game
29. King’s Bounty
30. League of Legends
31. Machinarium
32. Majesty: The Fantasy Kingdom Sim
33. Men of War
34. Mount and Blade
35. Mourning
36. Mytheon
37. Napoleon: Total War
38. Order of War
39. Path, The
40. Penumbra
41. Plain Sight
42. RACE On
43. Rise of Flight: The First Great Air War
44. Runes of Magic
45. Shattered Horizon
46. Sins of a Solar Empire
47. Society
48. Solar: Campaigns
49. Spore
50. Still Life
51. Torchlight
52. Whispered World, The
53. Wings of Prey
54. Witcher, The
55. X3
56. Zombie Driver

There are more than what's listed. And you call PC "elitist" arrogant, yet you downplay a platform that you know nothing about. XD

Cool. How many of them are any good?
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PostSubject: Re: "PC always gets superior multi-plats"?   Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:48 am

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You really have to be a PC player to understand or someone who isnt a 13 year old console fanboy. Did you know Modern warfare 1 had a Zombie game mode? It was an online mod that used Home made maps in it. I played it.... It was so fucking good....

I think mods are coming to the consoles. Maybe, I don't know. There's Steamworks but I don't know if that will let you use mods.

Unreal 2004 for the Ps3 had mod support, I think.
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PostSubject: Re: "PC always gets superior multi-plats"?   Thu Aug 26, 2010 2:32 am

Pickles wrote:
Jamin wrote:
Pickles wrote:

elephant
They better not be indie games.

Go ahead list them.
elephant

Also I never said PC gamers were elitist. I said PC elitists are elitist. Pc gamers are happy with their platform. PC elitists feel insecure so they have to act arrogant.
1. 1701 A.D.
2. Achtung Panzer: Kharkov 1943
3. Aion
4. ArmA II
5. Audiosurf
6. Battlefield Heroes
7. Blackwell, The
8. Ceville
9. Champions Online
10. Company of Heroes
11. Crazy machines
12. Crysis
13. Dark Fall
14. Dawn of Discovery
15. DCS: Black Shark
16. Demigod
17. Din's Curse
18. East India Company
19. Elemental: War of Magic
20. Empire: Total War
21. Eve Online
22. Grand Ages: Rome
23. GTR Evolution
24. Heroes of Newerth
25. Hunter, The
26. Jack Keane
27. Killing Floor
28. King Arthur - The Role-playing War-game
29. King’s Bounty
30. League of Legends
31. Machinarium
32. Majesty: The Fantasy Kingdom Sim
33. Men of War
34. Mount and Blade
35. Mourning
36. Mytheon
37. Napoleon: Total War
38. Order of War
39. Path, The
40. Penumbra
41. Plain Sight
42. RACE On
43. Rise of Flight: The First Great Air War
44. Runes of Magic
45. Shattered Horizon
46. Sins of a Solar Empire
47. Society
48. Solar: Campaigns
49. Spore
50. Still Life
51. Torchlight
52. Whispered World, The
53. Wings of Prey
54. Witcher, The
55. X3
56. Zombie Driver

There are more than what's listed. And you call PC "elitist" arrogant, yet you downplay a platform that you know nothing about. XD

Cool. How many of them are any good?

Most of those games are really good. Especially Sins of a Solar Empire. I spent alot of time with that game.
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PostSubject: Re: "PC always gets superior multi-plats"?   Thu Aug 26, 2010 2:37 am

Pickles wrote:
Shin_Akuma wrote:
You really have to be a PC player to understand or someone who isnt a 13 year old console fanboy. Did you know Modern warfare 1 had a Zombie game mode? It was an online mod that used Home made maps in it. I played it.... It was so fucking good....

I think mods are coming to the consoles. Maybe, I don't know. There's Steamworks but I don't know if that will let you use mods.

Unreal 2004 for the Ps3 had mod support, I think.
Mods won't come to consoles any time soon, especially not the 360 (since Microsoft is very selective when it comes to licensing issues). Unreal Tournament 3 had mods on the PS3 version, but the mods were made by PC users (who viewed it as thankless work). Steamworks is just used to deliver patches to the games as far as I know.
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PostSubject: Re: "PC always gets superior multi-plats"?   Thu Aug 26, 2010 2:47 am

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Pickles wrote:
Shin_Akuma wrote:
You really have to be a PC player to understand or someone who isnt a 13 year old console fanboy. Did you know Modern warfare 1 had a Zombie game mode? It was an online mod that used Home made maps in it. I played it.... It was so fucking good....

I think mods are coming to the consoles. Maybe, I don't know. There's Steamworks but I don't know if that will let you use mods.

Unreal 2004 for the Ps3 had mod support, I think.
Mods won't come to consoles any time soon, especially not the 360 (since Microsoft is very selective when it comes to licensing issues). Unreal Tournament 3 had mods on the PS3 version, but the mods were made by PC users (who viewed it as thankless work). Steamworks is just used to deliver patches to the games as far as I know.

THIS. I could see a possibility for mods maby 2 or 3 console generations from now. But the odds are still slim.
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PostSubject: Re: "PC always gets superior multi-plats"?   Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:15 am

Pickles wrote:

Cool. How many of them are any good?
Those came from my PC exclusives list that I used for my video, so they're all rated 70% & above. ^_^
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PostSubject: Re: "PC always gets superior multi-plats"?   Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:45 am

pcs do get the better version to be honest
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PostSubject: Re: "PC always gets superior multi-plats"?   Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:20 am

TRF wrote:
NightFang, our arguments aren't irrelevant just because we don't use the features, if that's what you're getting at. It would be one thing if we were arguing for something we didn't use and didn't want to use, but I myself envy the PC owners who can mod their games.
But you are arguing for something I don't use. Whether a game is superior on PC or console should be decided on a case-by-case basis.

Shin_Akuma wrote:
You really have to be a PC player to understand or someone who isnt a 13 year old console fanboy. Did you know Modern warfare 1 had a Zombie game mode? It was an online mod that used Home made maps in it. I played it.... It was so fucking good....
I am a PC player.
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PostSubject: Re: "PC always gets superior multi-plats"?   Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:06 am

Shin_Akuma wrote:
NightFang91 wrote:
TRF wrote:

For example, I don't think reviewers consider the mods in most Valve games, as well as most Bethesda games. I understand that there are some ports that are just sloppy, like Splinter Cell: Conviction, but, like I said, reviewers don't take into account mods or unofficial patches for bugs in the game, etc.
I haven't tried a single HL2 mod. Any particular mods that you would recommend?

About Bethesda... I'm not sure whether it's a good or a bad thing that fans need to mod the game to stop the characters from looking like shit. Razz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_jq4Q2KpuI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo3FSpEzCtE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m10GnDi-Sa0&feature=related

It doesnt matter what the characters look like. People will always make character mods for games like that. A really popular one for Oblivon is a anime mod. http://i38.tinypic.com/2ue7ayh.jpg

I wonder why that mod is popular.......People making themselves virtual girlfriends? Maybe they use the porn mod also. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: "PC always gets superior multi-plats"?   Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:28 am

Jamin wrote:
Pickles wrote:

Cool. How many of them are any good?
Those came from my PC exclusives list that I used for my video, so they're all rated 70% & above. ^_^

Good for you, I guess.
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PostSubject: Re: "PC always gets superior multi-plats"?   Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:50 pm

NightFang91 wrote:
TRF wrote:

For example, I don't think reviewers consider the mods in most Valve games, as well as most Bethesda games. I understand that there are some ports that are just sloppy, like Splinter Cell: Conviction, but, like I said, reviewers don't take into account mods or unofficial patches for bugs in the game, etc.
I haven't tried a single HL2 mod. Any particular mods that you would recommend?

About Bethesda... I'm not sure whether it's a good or a bad thing that fans need to mod the game to stop the characters from looking like shit. Razz
actually a few really good mods for HL2 are getting their own games including killing floor and natural selection 2. Gary's mod is still used alot for fun. another thing to realize is that reviewers only review basic gameplay. Reviewers would never consider surfing or zombies in counterstrike into their review same with DotA and left4dead scavenger mode.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqiulSLFncc
^no reviews for this but it would be so much fun
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PostSubject: Re: "PC always gets superior multi-plats"?   Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:26 pm

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actually a few really good mods for HL2 are getting their own games including killing floor and natural selection 2.
Killing Floor was an UT2004 mod, Natural Selection was a HL1 mod Wink
The mod I've played the most is probably the original Counter-Strike which I played since beta 2.
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PostSubject: Re: "PC always gets superior multi-plats"?   Thu Aug 26, 2010 5:45 pm

NightFang91 wrote:
Venir wrote:

actually a few really good mods for HL2 are getting their own games including killing floor and natural selection 2.
Killing Floor was an UT2004 mod, Natural Selection was a HL1 mod Wink
The mod I've played the most is probably the original Counter-Strike which I played since beta 2.
well besides me being stupid about the game that the mods are for it still seems like mods help inspire new games and generally bring new gameplay that keeps old games from losing players
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